Tesla Club Sweden

LarsL skrev:

Ja, jag tror att Tesla bara kommer öppna laddare om de får betalt för det, allt annat vore ju vansinnigt ur Teslas vinkel.

chaffis75 skrev:

LarsL skrev:

Ja, jag tror att Tesla bara kommer öppna laddare om de får betalt för det, allt annat vore ju vansinnigt ur Teslas vinkel.

Låter ju inte alls så på Elon, åtminstone har jag svårt att tolka de så.

chaffis75 skrev:

LarsL skrev:

Ja, jag tror att Tesla bara kommer öppna laddare om de får betalt för det, allt annat vore ju vansinnigt ur Teslas vinkel.

Låter ju inte alls så på Elon, åtminstone har jag svårt att tolka de så.

martinot skrev:

Elon och Tesla behöver ta bladet ur munnen och tydligt tala om vad som gäller.

Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations

Thank you. Let's go to the second question from retail, which is Elon has said that Tesla will be opening up the Supercharger network to other EVs later this year. Can you share some more details on how this will be structured, will this be a select brands, or will they contribute to the growth of this network?

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes. We're currently thinking it's a real simple thing where you just download the Tesla app, and you go to Supercharger. And you just indicate which stall you're in. So you plug in your car, even if it's not Tesla.

And then you just access the app and say, turn on this stall that I'm in for how much electricity. And this should basically work with I think almost any manufacturer's cars. There will be time constraints. If the charge rate is super slow, then somebody will be charged more because the biggest constraint at the Supercharger is time, how occupied is the stall.

And we'll also be smarter with how we charge for electricity at the Supercharger. So rush hour charging will be more expensive than off-hours is charging because there are times when the Superchargers are empty and times when they're jam-packed. And so it makes sense to have some time-based discrimination.

Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations

Yeah. We've been doing that, and it's been working, and people are responding. It helps with utilization.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, exactly. In Europe and China and most parts of the world, it's the same connector for everyone, so this is a fairly easy thing to do. We developed our own connector, which in my opinion is actually the best connector, it's small and light and looks good and above standard. So we developed our own connector, which in my opinion actually the best connector.

It's small and light and looks good. So an adapter is needed to work for EVs in North America. But people could buy this adapter. And we anticipate having it available at the Superchargers as well if people don't sort of steal them or something.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

We have a good solution to that.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

OK. So that's a constraint on North America. That's basically a vestige of history. But I think we do want to emphasize that it is our goal to support the advent of sustainable energy, it is not to create a wolf garden and use that to bludgeon our competitors, which is sometimes used by some companies.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

I think it's also important to comment that increasing the utilization of the network actually reduces our costs, which allows us to lower charging prices for our customers and make the network more profitable, allows us to grow the network faster. That's the good thing there. And then -- and no matter what, we're going to continue to aggressively expand the network capacity, increasing charging speeds, improving the trip planning tools to protect against site congestion using dynamic pricing, as Elon mentioned.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

And just continuing to focus on minimum wait time for all customers.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Obviously, in order for this to be -- for the Supercharger to be useful to other car companies' cars, we need to grow the network faster than we're growing vehicle output, which is not easy. We're growing vehicle output at a hell of a rate. So Superchargers need to grow faster than vehicle output.

This is a lot of work for the Superchargers team, but it is only useful in the grand scheme of things. Just only useful to the public if we're able to grow faster than Tesla vehicle output. So that is our goal.

Svenssons skrev:

martinot skrev:

Elon och Tesla behöver ta bladet ur munnen och tydligt tala om vad som gäller.

Kvartalsmötena är där den mest korrekta informationen kommer innan det är klart och offentligt. tycker inte det var särskilt otydligt på senaste kvartalsmötet även ifall alla detaljer sannolikt inte är fastslagna ännu. Twitter är mer till för marknadsföring och hype.

Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations

Thank you. Let's go to the second question from retail, which is Elon has said that Tesla will be opening up the Supercharger network to other EVs later this year. Can you share some more details on how this will be structured, will this be a select brands, or will they contribute to the growth of this network?

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes. We're currently thinking it's a real simple thing where you just download the Tesla app, and you go to Supercharger. And you just indicate which stall you're in. So you plug in your car, even if it's not Tesla.

And then you just access the app and say, turn on this stall that I'm in for how much electricity. And this should basically work with I think almost any manufacturer's cars. There will be time constraints. If the charge rate is super slow, then somebody will be charged more because the biggest constraint at the Supercharger is time, how occupied is the stall.

And we'll also be smarter with how we charge for electricity at the Supercharger. So rush hour charging will be more expensive than off-hours is charging because there are times when the Superchargers are empty and times when they're jam-packed. And so it makes sense to have some time-based discrimination.

Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations

Yeah. We've been doing that, and it's been working, and people are responding. It helps with utilization.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, exactly. In Europe and China and most parts of the world, it's the same connector for everyone, so this is a fairly easy thing to do. We developed our own connector, which in my opinion is actually the best connector, it's small and light and looks good and above standard. So we developed our own connector, which in my opinion actually the best connector.

It's small and light and looks good. So an adapter is needed to work for EVs in North America. But people could buy this adapter. And we anticipate having it available at the Superchargers as well if people don't sort of steal them or something.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

We have a good solution to that.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

OK. So that's a constraint on North America. That's basically a vestige of history. But I think we do want to emphasize that it is our goal to support the advent of sustainable energy, it is not to create a wolf garden and use that to bludgeon our competitors, which is sometimes used by some companies.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

I think it's also important to comment that increasing the utilization of the network actually reduces our costs, which allows us to lower charging prices for our customers and make the network more profitable, allows us to grow the network faster. That's the good thing there. And then -- and no matter what, we're going to continue to aggressively expand the network capacity, increasing charging speeds, improving the trip planning tools to protect against site congestion using dynamic pricing, as Elon mentioned.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

And just continuing to focus on minimum wait time for all customers.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Obviously, in order for this to be -- for the Supercharger to be useful to other car companies' cars, we need to grow the network faster than we're growing vehicle output, which is not easy. We're growing vehicle output at a hell of a rate. So Superchargers need to grow faster than vehicle output.

This is a lot of work for the Superchargers team, but it is only useful in the grand scheme of things. Just only useful to the public if we're able to grow faster than Tesla vehicle output. So that is our goal.

https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-tran ... ranscript/

Svenssons skrev:

Kvartalsmötena är där den mest korrekta informationen kommer innan det är klart och offentligt. tycker inte det var särskilt otydligt på senaste kvartalsmötet även ifall alla detaljer sannolikt inte är fastslagna ännu. Twitter är mer till för marknadsföring och hype.

Jerker skrev:

Jag går in och skummar igenom den här tråden med ojämna mellanrum för att se om det tillkommit nåt substantiellt. Men det lär nog dröja...

Svenssons skrev:

martinot skrev:

Elon och Tesla behöver ta bladet ur munnen och tydligt tala om vad som gäller.

Kvartalsmötena är där den mest korrekta informationen kommer innan det är klart och offentligt. tycker inte det var särskilt otydligt på senaste kvartalsmötet även ifall alla detaljer sannolikt inte är fastslagna ännu. Twitter är mer till för marknadsföring och hype.

Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations

Thank you. Let's go to the second question from retail, which is Elon has said that Tesla will be opening up the Supercharger network to other EVs later this year. Can you share some more details on how this will be structured, will this be a select brands, or will they contribute to the growth of this network?

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yes. We're currently thinking it's a real simple thing where you just download the Tesla app, and you go to Supercharger. And you just indicate which stall you're in. So you plug in your car, even if it's not Tesla.

And then you just access the app and say, turn on this stall that I'm in for how much electricity. And this should basically work with I think almost any manufacturer's cars. There will be time constraints. If the charge rate is super slow, then somebody will be charged more because the biggest constraint at the Supercharger is time, how occupied is the stall.

And we'll also be smarter with how we charge for electricity at the Supercharger. So rush hour charging will be more expensive than off-hours is charging because there are times when the Superchargers are empty and times when they're jam-packed. And so it makes sense to have some time-based discrimination.

Martin Viecha -- Senior Director, Investor Relations

Yeah. We've been doing that, and it's been working, and people are responding. It helps with utilization.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, exactly. In Europe and China and most parts of the world, it's the same connector for everyone, so this is a fairly easy thing to do. We developed our own connector, which in my opinion is actually the best connector, it's small and light and looks good and above standard. So we developed our own connector, which in my opinion actually the best connector.

It's small and light and looks good. So an adapter is needed to work for EVs in North America. But people could buy this adapter. And we anticipate having it available at the Superchargers as well if people don't sort of steal them or something.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

We have a good solution to that.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

OK. So that's a constraint on North America. That's basically a vestige of history. But I think we do want to emphasize that it is our goal to support the advent of sustainable energy, it is not to create a wolf garden and use that to bludgeon our competitors, which is sometimes used by some companies.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

I think it's also important to comment that increasing the utilization of the network actually reduces our costs, which allows us to lower charging prices for our customers and make the network more profitable, allows us to grow the network faster. That's the good thing there. And then -- and no matter what, we're going to continue to aggressively expand the network capacity, increasing charging speeds, improving the trip planning tools to protect against site congestion using dynamic pricing, as Elon mentioned.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah.

Andrew Baglino -- Senior Vice President, Powertrain and Energy Engineering

And just continuing to focus on minimum wait time for all customers.

Elon Musk -- Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Obviously, in order for this to be -- for the Supercharger to be useful to other car companies' cars, we need to grow the network faster than we're growing vehicle output, which is not easy. We're growing vehicle output at a hell of a rate. So Superchargers need to grow faster than vehicle output.

This is a lot of work for the Superchargers team, but it is only useful in the grand scheme of things. Just only useful to the public if we're able to grow faster than Tesla vehicle output. So that is our goal.

https://www.fool.com/earnings/call-tran ... ranscript/

Elmil skrev:

Insiktsfullt och läsvärt, av Mer's Norge-CEO, om komplexiteten i att öppna upp SuC-nätverket för alla.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/tesla-ac ... annisdahl/

renes skrev:

Elmil skrev:

Insiktsfullt och läsvärt, av Mer's Norge-CEO, om komplexiteten i att öppna upp SuC-nätverket för alla.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/tesla-ac ... annisdahl/

Mycket intressant. Allt mer visar ju på att Tesla inte kan eller bör anpassa befintliga laddare till andra märken utan snarare lägga till laddare specifikt för icke-Tesla bilar, där kablar, protokoll och betalning kan vara helt annorlunda än i det nuvarande Tesla-nätverket. T.o.m. laddspänningen kan vara annorlunda (800V) på dessa.

renes skrev:

Mycket intressant. Allt mer visar ju på att Tesla inte kan eller bör anpassa befintliga laddare till andra märken utan snarare lägga till laddare specifikt för icke-Tesla bilar, där kablar, protokoll och betalning kan vara helt annorlunda än i det nuvarande Tesla-nätverket. T.o.m. laddspänningen kan vara annorlunda (800V) på dessa.

Elmil skrev:

Insiktsfullt och läsvärt, av Mer's Norge-CEO, om komplexiteten i att öppna upp SuC-nätverket för alla.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/tesla-ac ... annisdahl/

LarsL skrev:

renes skrev:

Mycket intressant. Allt mer visar ju på att Tesla inte kan eller bör anpassa befintliga laddare till andra märken utan snarare lägga till laddare specifikt för icke-Tesla bilar, där kablar, protokoll och betalning kan vara helt annorlunda än i det nuvarande Tesla-nätverket. T.o.m. laddspänningen kan vara annorlunda (800V) på dessa.

Är vi säkra på att Superchargers inte kan hantera 800V? Det kanske bara är en mjukvaruinställning bort?

BrooklynS skrev:

Man kunde ju tänka sig att vid varje Supercharger framledes så finns det 4 stycken generiska laddare UTÖVER befintlig site. Vilket lyft för alla andra elbilister!

taliz skrev:

Ser inget där som skulle vara svårare för Tesla att lösa än MER.
Tvärtom faktiskt, det är betydligt enklare för Tesla.
Dels just för att de har allt "in house", dels för att de har ett gigantiskt laddnätverk. Det sistnämnda betyder bl.a. att de redan har massvis med stalls med olika layout, och inte sällan möjlighet att expandera en site snabbt och billigt vid behov.

De lär knappast retrofit'a längre kablar bara för att två ynka bilmodeller får svårt att ladda, och sätta dit kreditläsare ser jag heller ingen logik i.

Det är Tesla som sätter standarden för hur laddstationer skall se ut kort sagt. Det har de gjort i 10 år och kommer fortsätta göra i lång tid framöver vad det verkar.

BrooklynS skrev:

Man kunde ju tänka sig att vid varje Supercharger framledes så finns det 4 stycken generiska laddare UTÖVER befintlig site. Vilket lyft för alla andra elbilister!

tor skrev:

Hmm intressant. Alla SC som jag kommer på nu ur huvudet har tomrören placerade på platser där man som Tesla måste backa in. Dvs det fungerar med bilar som har ladduttag fram eller bak.
Spekulationerna fortsätter!

Walker skrev:

tor skrev:

Hmm intressant. Alla SC som jag kommer på nu ur huvudet har tomrören placerade på platser där man som Tesla måste backa in. Dvs det fungerar med bilar som har ladduttag fram eller bak.
Spekulationerna fortsätter!

”Alla”??? Det finns väl bara 6 SC i hela Sverige? (Umeå, 2 i Stockholm, Norrköping, Gbg, Malmö)
Hur de har sina tomrör placerade vet jag dock inte.

Walker skrev:

tor skrev:

Hmm intressant. Alla SC som jag kommer på nu ur huvudet har tomrören placerade på platser där man som Tesla måste backa in. Dvs det fungerar med bilar som har ladduttag fram eller bak.
Spekulationerna fortsätter!

”Alla”??? Det finns väl bara 6 SC i hela Sverige? (Umeå, 2 i Stockholm, Norrköping, Gbg, Malmö)
Hur de har sina tomrör placerade vet jag dock inte.

tor skrev:

Hmm intressant. Alla SC som jag kommer på nu ur huvudet har tomrören placerade på platser där man som Tesla måste backa in. Dvs det fungerar med bilar som har ladduttag fram eller bak.
Spekulationerna fortsätter!

frippe skrev:

Dock ser jag problemet med att alla elbilsförare som hört att det går att ladda på en SuC tydligt måste se vilka som är öppna för alla och vilka som enbart är för tesla. Så det inte uppstår felparkeringar och tjurigheten när laddningen inte startar, om de ställt sig vid fel laddare.

Samma problem blir det även om det kommer möjlighet att förboka en laddstolpe.